The Controversy Around Kiva's US Loans
Published July 07, 2009 @ 03:04PM PT

Kiva CEO and President, Matt Flannery and Premal Shah
There is a fascinating and instructive debate happening on the Kiva Friends website about whether or not Kiva should be providing loans to US based entrepreneurs. The first US loans, announced just a few weeks ago, were met with much excitement.
As with any site that has been driven by it's member's participation however, there are many members of the Kiva family who feel that US loaners should be accessing credit elsewhere, and even that having US-based entrepreneurs on the site crowds out others.
A poll started just a couple weeks ago on Kiva Friends asks:
Question: Having loans to citizen's of the world's richest country funded by Kiva members is:
- Taking money from the pockets of entrepreneurs in the third world and should be stopped with immediate effect.
- A good idea, as it doesn't matter where you live, if you can't access credit, you can't access credit.
- Don't know yet.
The debate has been raging for 22 pages of comments. Of those that feel that the site shouldn't be loaning to US entrepreneurs, most of the arguments come down to the fact that credit tends to be more available (in their opinion) for those in the US, that the presence of the larger loans needed by the US will crowd out other loaners, and perhaps most of all that loaning to US entrepreneurs was not what Kiva was intended for, and is somehow an affront to or at a degradation of the mission.
On the other side, supporters point out that no one is committed to supporting US based entrepreneurs if they have personal reservations, that a tiny fraction of the loans available are intended for US entrepreneurs, and that even in the US many don't have access to credit right now.
There are a few things that I think are great about the debate:
1) Although KivaFriends.org is a separate site, it seems clear that Kiva itself is not interested in shutting down this debate. This reminds me of when Barack Obama supported the FISA bill and in response, his supporters used his own organizing site my.barackobama.com to ask him to change his position. Rather than trying to suppress them, he welcomed their participation, even when the group critical of his position became the largest on his site.
2) I wouldn't actually accuse anyone of this, but I wonder if it's harder to feel the flow of philanthropy reversed on citizens of your own nation if you're not accustomed to it. Philanthopy is a powerful force for good, but it is complicated to go about it in such a way that affirms rather than denies dignity. I think Kiva's US loans - loaning to entrepreneurs in general - tends to be a way to do philanthropy that has dignity and ownership embedded at it's core, but it still might produce a different feeling for some in the US unaccustomed to being on the other side of that relationship.
3) I wonder if it's easier for people to be more judgmental about the entrepreneurial capacity of others when the activities of those people feels more familiar? When a US citizen is supporting a bean farmer in Uganda, we don't necessarily know anything about bean farming, and certainly not enough to know whether they're approaching bean farming the right way. We have to trust, and take faith in institutions like Kiva and their intermediary microfinance partners. When someone wants to sell hot dogs down the street from us, however, we may have a different intuition about the supply and demand and likely success of that person, making us be more critical because we have more information (or at least deeper intuitive feelings). I'm not saying that this is the case, but it wouldn't totally surprise me, either.
I'm a supporter of Kiva's experiment. I think their model of making these loans through a nonprofit apparatus may be well-suited to the need and I'm looking forward to seeing how they work.
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What I find interesting about this debate is just how it seems to fly into the face of logic.
One the one hand, you have an organization that supports communities by providing funding to entrepreneurs. The core goal is that through this financing, a benefit to the community comes through the business that can be started, and perhaps a hope that in the future the business will grow to employ others.
On the other hand, you have unprecidnted job loss in the US tied with a banking system not willing to loan money to small business for fear of default, which is a double negative as it is entrepreneurs and small business are proven to be economic drivers.
Match that to a lot of people who are looking to give money, yet are unable to reconcile the fact the it may actually be better to do so locally into a platform geared for somewhere south of the equator.
It seems to me that there is either a gap in understanding, as in people still think that only the "poorest" should receive this aid, but in fact there are plenty of people in the US who are facing much the same hurdles.
It would be an interesting exercise to measure why people are for/ against it. I bet you will find the gamot of responses (from ignorance of probem, ignorance of local issues, to just a belief that those in your back yard are somehow more capable).
I don't know, but after spending the better part of the last decade in Asia, I often find myself seeing that the poverty that exists in China is not all that different than that of the US from the perspective of the person. That, in many ways, even though on the surface it may appear that the US poor have it better, they really do not.
Simply put, poor people around the world are poor, and if there is a way to assist them through microfinance or free lunch programs, then the programs should be made available.
Posted by Rich Brubaker on 07/07/2009 @ 10:15PM PT
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Have you ever gone to apply for a business loan in the US? First of all you have to have good credit, secondly you have to have collateral. Poor is poor whether in the US or elsewhere. It is just as hard for a poor person in the US to get a business loan as it probably is in a third world country in my opinion.Anyways you don't have to give a microloan to someone in the Us, there are alot of countries to choose from.
Posted by Mary Ann Thompson on 07/15/2009 @ 11:33AM PT
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Since the SEC pretty much shut down a lot of the US peer-to-peer lenders like Prosper.com (people in most states can't lend on them anymore), it seems perfectly natural that something like Kiva would step into the void...
Posted by Sam Crane on 10/14/2009 @ 07:55PM PT
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